Using the J-16/Su-30 airframe, the J-16D deletes some air to air combat gear for cramming in electronic attack equipment that includes electronic intelligence pods.


在歼16/苏30的机体框架上，歼16D用包含电子侦察吊舱在内的电子战设备取代了部分空对空配备。
The J-16D's wingtips have built in electronic intelligence pods, which intercept enemy electronic signals like radar transmissions, for processing in the fighter's computers, which then tell the J-16D's jammers how to scramble, confuse and block enemy usage of the electromagnetic spectrum.


歼16D翼尖上的电子战吊舱，可以用来截获敌方的电子信号，这些信息经由机载计算机处理后，能够使得歼16D对敌方使用的电磁信号频段进行争夺，阻塞和干扰.


The J-16D is a J-16/Su-30 multi-role fighter optimized for "Wild Weasel" missions. Starting in the Vietnam War, Wild Weasels are fighters designed to take on surface-to-air missile batteries in a SEAD (Supression of Enemy Air Defense) role. Armed with anti-radiation missiles (which lock on and target radars by their electronic emissions) and electronic intelligence and electronic warfare jammers, they are designed to engage and suppress defenses, opening the way for traditional air attacks.
歼16D是歼16/苏30多用途战斗机用来执行“野鼬“任务的优化版本，“野鼬”，这个始于越南战争的词，是指那些被用来执行压制敌方地空火力任务的战机。这些战机通常会装备有反辐射导弹，电子侦察设备以及电子战设备，他们的主要设计目标就是压制对面的空防，为后续的传统意义上的空袭铺平道路。
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War Thunder
Sunday at 10:55 AM
I hope this will help people understand why Pakistan needs J-16...
when the enemy brings the prey.....you bring on the Predator

我希望这能使人明白巴基斯坦为什么需要歼16 ，这可以使你在空战中扮演捕食者的角色。


Stephen Cohen
Sunday at 12:06PM
Su 30 MKI of India is the Bigger Predator as compared to J16
And RAFALE will be the APEX Predator in Asia -- till Japan gets F35

相对于歼16，印度的苏30MKI将会是更高级的捕食者，在日本得到F35之前，阵风将会是亚洲的顶级捕食者。


The Accountant
Sunday at 12:21 PM
Grow up man ... just having the similar airframe does not make air crafts sophisticated ...
You are comparing J16D with mki which is a technology of late 90s and is not even equipped with AESA ... The only feather in the cap of MKI is its thrust vectoring ...

成熟点吧兄弟，相似的机体结构并不代表相同的复杂程度，你拿来和歼16比较的苏30MKI只不过是九十年代末的技术，它甚至都没有有源相控阵雷达，MKI唯一的亮点就是它的矢量推力。


Stephen Cohen
Sunday at 12:26 PM
ONLY SU 35 which China has bought recently is Superior to SU 30 MKI，J11 ; J16 are just clones
And here also we are Upgrading our SU30 MKI very soon，which will make it equal to Su35
And with PAK FA and RAFALE coming in --
IAF will remain qualitatively superior
to PLAAF ; No worries for us

只有苏35才是中国能拿得出的优于MKI的机型，歼11，歼16都是拷贝，并且我们正打算升级我们的MKI，将会使其与苏35等同，并且未来T50和阵风也会到来，印度空军将会长期保持对解放军空军的技术优势，不用为我们担心。


SinoSoldier
Sunday at 12:30 PM
If you say so, it must be true.
Are you implying that a Flanker upgraded with AESA radars, EW suites, MAW sensors, airframe enhancements with RAM & composite materials, and newer engines somehow cannot stand toe-to-toe with the Su-30MKI? With the same thought process, I could just as easily claim that a JF-17 is "qualitatively superior" to your Rafale because the Thunder is the self-appointed "APEX predator" in Asia.

你就是在说反话吧
你是觉得升级了有源相控阵雷达，现代电子战系统，机身复合材料强化，以及更新的发动机的侧卫改进型不能和苏30MKI正面对决？呵呵，按照你这逻辑，我也可以将枭龙相对于你的阵风也形容为“质量更好的”，毕竟自封“顶级捕食者”谁不会啊？


The Accountant
Sunday at 12:30 PM
Again some stupid remarks ...
Talk when MKI is upgraded as of now it is not ... So how are you claiming that MKI is supperior to J16D ...
Its time to support your evidence with one on one comaprison with
1) radar
2) EW suit
3) missiles equipped
4) jamming devices
5) engine thrust
airframe is same so no comparison can be done ... waiting for your answere ..

又是有一些愚蠢的评论。
一边说着MKI的改进型，但事实上并没有，所以说你怎么能宣称MKI优与J16D呢？
现在轮到你来提供证据了。
1 雷达
2 电子战组件
3 装备的导弹
4 干扰组件
5 发动机
机体结构是类似的不用比较，等待你的回答


Imad.Khan
Sunday at 12:30 PM
Not sure about Japan but Israel has already got delivery of F35s

日本现在还不确定，但是以色列现在已经接受F35了


War Thunder
Sunday at 12:30 PM
dude did you even bother to read the article?
or just conjuring up stuff from bottoms?
J-16D is a whole different kind of beast compared to your SU-30MKI and Rafale and no they don't match up in the same role which you didn't comprehend...
We are talking about SAM hunting here ...

兄弟你真的仔细看原文了吗？又或是你只看了开头的材料？
歼16D和苏30MKI，阵风扮演的角色完全不同，你甚至都不理解他们的职能是不同的。
我们在这里讨论的是防空导弹猎手。


Stephen Cohen
Sunday at 12:38 PM
We all have our points of view ; The Chinese can claim anything，J11 and J 16 have Chinese avionics which are Never PEER REVIEWED by International Observers and experts，unlike Russian ; French and Israeli systems which are sold the world over and which are a Part of SU 30 MKI
Has J11 and J16 been in an Exercise with Russian Air force
Who else has seen their capabilities
J11 has exercised with ONLY PAF and that too JF17 ;
Not even the PAF F-16
Otherwise why did China buy Russian SU35 and That too with SO MANY Russian conditions attached to the deal
China has still a lot of catching up to do in Avionics sector

我们来看看下面这几点
中国只是嘴上说说，歼11和歼16的航电设备从未经受过国际观察家的仔细审视，不像那些用在MKI上的俄罗斯，法国，以色列的系统一样，早就被世人所熟知。
歼11和歼16与俄空军训练过吗？
其他人有谁知道它们的可靠性吗？
为什么中国还要买苏35呢？
中国在航电方面仍然需要追赶。


The Accountant
Sunday at 12:54 PM
Wowww ... no comparison ... just waue statements ... Lets find out contradictions in your statements:
1) J16 is reversed engineered Su27 ... now you are saying it is inferrior and not tested ... As per my knowledge reverse engineered items are copy and replica and offer same capability ... please make up your point ...
2) Russian equipements continously failed in front of western equipment ... You will find 1000s of technical articles on that ... in war russian equipments performed poorly against western ... so if apply this logic even you mki is nothing but a piece of junk ...
3) Do you think PAF is small airforce ... It is one of the world most mightest airforce ... Has one of the most favourable records against all adversaries including Russia, Israel and India ... So exercse with PAF is a learning of its own ...
Now don't derail the thread ... if you have any specific comparison to prove MKI is supperior or even at par with MKI then please share otherwise STFU ...

先别比了，让我们先来看看你话里自相矛盾的地方：
首先，歼16是一种重新设计的苏27系列改型，而你却说它是劣质的，未经检验的，可问题是相似的机体设计，其可靠性也应该大致相当
其次，俄罗斯装备的质量渐渐落后于西方，此类文章网上随处可见，如果这个逻辑成立，那么只能证明你的苏30MKI也是一个垃圾。
最后，你认为解放军空军是一个不起眼的空军力量。然而事实上它却是世界上最骁勇的空中力量之一，完全具有能够与俄空军，以空军，印度空军扳手腕的实力和战绩，所以说解放军内部对抗完全可以达到自己领会提高的目的。
所以说别歪楼了，如果说你想做些什么特别的比较来证明你的苏30MKI更好请移步其他帖子，闭肛吧（原文Shut the fuck up）


Stephen Cohen
Sunday at 1:02 PM
OK ; you believe what you want
We believe that OUR SU30 MKI is Better than PLAAF planes ( Except SU35)

好好好，你信你的
反正我们相信我们印度的苏30MKI胜过解放军除苏35外的所有战机。


The Accountant
Sunday at 1:10 PM
thats like a grow-up brave man...

啧啧，真像一个成年人啊。。


SinoSoldier
Sunday at 1:13 PM
None of what you've mentioned disproves any existing data about the J-11B/D/16's avionics. Just because a system isn't an open book doesn't imply a lack of capability.

你没有上任何关于歼11B,D/歼16航电的数据，只是因为它不公开可靠性就不行？

Does it matter if it hasn't? The Rafale has never exercised with the Russians and yet that seems to be an exception to your golden rules of Internet aviation.

不和俄军训练有什么关系吗？这都成为你这个键盘航空专家的金科玉律了，你所期待的阵风也没有跟俄军训练过吧？！

The question should be: why were the Russians so eager to sell the Su-35? Why did the Chinese ask to retrofit them with their own avionics? Why are the Chinese building the J-11D, J-15A, J-11B, & J-16 when the supposedly-"superior" Su-35 could fit all those gaps?

至于苏35，这个问题的关键应该是：为什么俄罗斯如此急切的要卖给中国苏35？为什么中国人要求给它换上中国自己的航电设备？为什么中国在大建歼11D,歼15A,歼11B,歼16的同时还需要买这种号称“先进”的苏35来填补缺口？

Are you sure? The Chinese have deployed AESA radars on the J-10C, J-15A, J-11B, J-16, and J-11D, in addition to their 5th generation aircraft, surveillance platforms, and a few helicopters. There are multiple research facilities that compete with each other for military contracts. Do the Russians have the same level of flexibility when it comes to avionics selection & bidding?

中国航电落后？你确定吗？中国已经在歼10C，歼15A，歼11B，歼16，歼11D,未来的五代机，预警机，以及少量直升机上装备了有源相控阵雷达，多目标搜索的能力足以和其他军事强国媲美。试问俄军能够在航电的选用上做到这种程度的灵活通用吗？


Stephen Cohen
Sunday at 1:25 PM
Rafale has exercised with Indian SU30 MKI and USAF F 22 and Eurofighter

阵风已经和印度的苏30 MKI，美国空军F22和欧洲台风训练过了、

It was China which pursued Russia for several years and AGREED to all
its EARLIER IPR violations and agreed to stringent conditions
such as Not Reverse Engineering SU35 and Not selling the Clones Like J 11 and J 16
If China is building Various variants ; it is precisely because it wants to catch up
with the West on its OWN without Russian assistance

至于购买苏35，估计是中国和俄罗斯就前些年在知识产权上的纠纷和限制问题上做的交易。比如不能山寨苏35或是不能售卖J11,J16这样的复制型。
中国自主建造这么多种改进型，严格意义上讲就是在展示其不需要俄军协助就能赶超西方的决心而已。

Your J20 and J31 are at least Five years away

你们的歼20和歼31还要至少5年

You need a Credible Fourth Generation fleet against US ; Taiwan and Japan
And All J11 ; J16 etc also help as Test Beds for J20 and J31

中国需要一个有力的四代机群来对抗美国，台湾当局和日本
所有的歼11和歼16只不过是歼20和歼31的小白鼠而已

They are just Chinese claims which can be taken with a Bucket of Salt
In your Recent exercise with Russia you Brought SU30 MKK ; H6 ; JH7
and NOT J11 ; J16
WHY

至于中国宣称的雷达性能，我也只能持将信将疑的态度
中国最近和俄罗斯的训练只带上了苏30MKK，轰6，歼轰7。而没有歼11，歼16。为什么？


SinoSoldier
Sunday at 1:33 PM
An exercise (in which the avionics of the respective aircraft of each nation would be limited) is an expression of political goodwill, and at time an opportunity to exchange notes on tactics, skill, & strategy. Under artificial circumstances, it is extremely difficult to gauge the full capabilities of a platform's avionics, especially when we do not have the result of such exercises.

演习，尤其是这种两国航电设备都会受到一定限制的演习，最多只是一个政治上的表态，也就是偶有机会能够在技战术和策略上有一些交流而已。在这种人工设定的环境下很难评估其真正的航电水平，尤其是我们现在连对抗的结果都不知道。

The trend of the reports of the deal is heavily suggestive that Russia is far more eager to sell than the Chinese are to buy. In fact, the willingness of Russia to sell the Su-35 in light of earlier IPR violations highlights that eagerness.

根据现有的报道指出，俄罗斯想要卖出苏35的意愿远远大于中国想要买的意愿，事实上，先前的知识产权问题此时更能凸显出俄罗斯想要出售苏35的急切。

That's not how military purchases work. As demonstrated with prior Su-30MKK/MK2 purchases, such assets are bought in accordance to their capabilities & price. The fact that so few Su-35s are bought, and concurrent production of more advanced J-11X variants, is indicative that the Chinese view the Su-35 as a stop-gap until its own J-11D/16/15 come into service, or as a platform to increase the quantity of their fleet.

你所说的并不是这次军购原本的样子。先前的那批苏30MKK/MK2 显示，中国一向要求，买来的这些东西要有与之相匹配的能力和价格。事实是，在购买了如此少量的苏35的同时大量生产更为先进的歼11改进型，只能说明中国购买苏35只不过是歼11D/歼15/歼16大规模入役前的权宜之计，又或者是只不过是作为四代机群质量上的一个补充。

J-20 entered initial operating capability in December 2016.

歼20在2016年12月已经入役了

You need to brush up on the J-10A/B/C, J-11B/A, J-15, J-16, & Su-30MKK/MK2.

至于中国的四代机群，建议你重新梳理一下歼10A/B/C，歼11J-11A/B，歼15，歼16和苏30MKK/MK2

You don't mass-produce "test-beds" in quantities exceeding 200.

你所谓的“小白鼠”已经批产超过了200架。

Claims? You do realize that every other statement that you've made of the Russian & French aircraft are also 'claims', no?

宣称？你难道没有意识到你所列举的俄国货法国货不也是宣称吗？

The Su-30MKK was purchased over 16 years ago, and so was the JH-7. The J-11B & J-16 are entering service & being mass-produced now (the J-11B entered service in 2008, the J-16 in 2014).

苏30MKK已经买来超过16年了，同样年代久远的还有歼轰7，歼11B和歼16才现在才量产入役（歼11B2008年入役，歼16 2014年）